[oXygen-user] Going from FrameMaker to oXygen / FM Structure View vs. oXy Outline View / Feature request
Radu Coravu
radu_coravu at sync.ro
Mon Jan 9 03:58:41 CST 2023
Hi Frank,
We have an internal issue about making various improvements to our
Outline side view and I added your comments to it.
Adding below a reference to the internal issue ID for future reference:
EXM-44795 Improve Author Outline view to allow editing attributes,
placing caret
Regards,
Radu
Radu Coravu
Oxygen XML Editor
On 1/9/23 11:37, Frank Dissinger wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
>
>
> Thank you for your reply. I fully agree with what you wrote about FM's
> Structure View. An excellent tool.
>
>
> It would be great if oXygen could enhance its Outline View and make it
> work in a similar way. I am especially missing the following features:
>
> * Allow users to place the cursor between tags, or at the
> beginning/end of the element contents, and indicate the position
> * Display attributes: Toggle between all/all with a value/none (no
> need to waste room on the screen for a separate Attributes window)
> * Expand/collapse complete tree of elements or attributes in one go
> (Shift-click)
> * Element content should not be repeated for empty wrapping
> elements, this is confusing (show it only once)
> For exmaple, for <li><p>Text..., the "Text" is shown both for <li>
> and <p>. It should only be shown for <p>.
>
> Can I add this as feature request?
>
>
> I have now switched to the oXygen Users Mailing List and will post any
> further oXygen-related issues there.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Frank
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Am 04.01.2023 um 22:05 schrieb Alan Houser:
>> Chiming in a bit late here. Longtime structured FrameMaker and oXygen
>> user...
>>
>> *Frank mentions the FrameMaker structure view. IMO, this is the best
>> and most distinctive part of the FrameMaker structured authoring
>> interface. Easy access to any part of the document. Expand/collapse
>> at any level of the document hierarchy; locally or globally (e.g.
>> expand/collapse "this" section; expand/collapse all sections). Full
>> navigation capabilities. Visual feedback (and shortcut control) over
>> cursor location -- beginning, middle, or end of an element.
>> Configurable and interactive attribute display.*
>> *
>> *
>> *While most XML editors provide some sort of outline view, I've never
>> seen one as full-featured and useful as the FrameMaker structure view.*
>>
>> I occasionally use the oXygen Outline View for quick navigation in
>> larger XML documents. And the "folding" feature in the edit window to
>> expand/collapse content. But these don't fully replace what one can
>> do with the FrameMaker structure view.
>>
>> I think you will find that oXygen provides more and different
>> features than Structured FrameMaker, many of which you will come to
>> appreciate. I suggest (as you are doing) learning how to be most
>> productive with the oXygen features and workflow. And be prepared to
>> miss the FrameMaker structure view. 🙁
>>
>> -Alan
>> --
>> Alan Houser
>> Group Wellesley, Inc.
>> Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing
>> arh on Twitter
>> 412-450-0532
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Frank Dissinger
>>> <frank.dissinger at cgs-oris.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> Radu
>>> Stefan
>>> Thomas
>>> Yves
>>>
>>> for your replies, this valuable information and for offering me your
>>> help.
>>>
>>> I have already made some initial progress. I have successfully
>>> created a custom framework with my own CSS file and are getting my
>>> topic editor window panel look more and more the way I like (using
>>> the 'print-ready' display style).
>>>
>>> I'll try to dig a bit deeper into this matter and will collect the
>>> questions and issues as I get on with this. I'll then come back to you.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Am 06.12.2022 um 17:42 schrieb Frank Dissinger:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Are there any passionate long-term structured FrameMaker users who
>>>> have changed to oXygen as a DITA editor? Has anybody tried to set
>>>> up the oXygen authoring environment as close as possible to
>>>> FrameMaker's WYSIWYG view? Or at least in a way that makes the
>>>> switch as painless as possible for a FrameMaker user?
>>>>
>>>> I've been using FrameMaker V11+DITA-FMx as a DITA editor for many
>>>> years -- until recently also as a PDF transformation engine, which
>>>> I have now replaced with MiramoPDF. I have used oXygen for a few
>>>> years only and mostly as a transformation engine. With FM I am
>>>> stuck with an old DITA implementation and the DITA-FMx plug-in is
>>>> not developed any further. This is why I would like to use oXygen
>>>> as a DITA editor instead. But I find it very hard to make the
>>>> switch: The way DITA maps, topics, tags, structures... are
>>>> presented is so different and I haven't the time to learn oXygen
>>>> properly and in full detail. It's such a powerful tool with tons of
>>>> features. So I thought there may be someone who can help me getting
>>>> started -- at least with setting up the user interface and
>>>> authoring environment.
>>>>
>>>> A few examples of things I am struggling with right away when I
>>>> look at how oXygen presents my DITA files:
>>>>
>>>> * It seems that a DITA map loads all the referenced submaps and
>>>> displays all of these maps in a single window panel (as if this
>>>> was a single file). In FM I see only the references and open
>>>> the submaps as separate files by double-clicking on them.
>>>> * I feel lost in these maps. There are lots of big fonts, frames,
>>>> colored backgrounds, icons... Can I customize the appearance?
>>>> For example, by defining CSS-like styles for the DITA elements
>>>> displayed on the screen?
>>>> * The Outline view is a bit similar to FM's Structure View. But I
>>>> am used to setting the cursor into the Structure View to
>>>> precisely define the point where to insert an element. This
>>>> does not work in oXygen.
>>>> * I'd like to see text and images without any tags in one window
>>>> panel and the DITA structure with elements and attributes in a
>>>> separate panel. I know I can switch off tags and use the
>>>> Outline view, but I am not sure if this really gives me full
>>>> control over everything...
>>>> * How does oXygen visualize conditionalized content
>>>> (included/excluded via a ditaval file)?
>>>> * Can I define a fixed page size in oXygen? I'd like to set a
>>>> page width (height is not important) to make sure that images
>>>> fit on the page and that table columns are not too narrow (in
>>>> PDF deliverables). Setting an image resolution is also important.
>>>> * ...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Frank
>>> --
>>> *Frank Dissinger*
>>> Documentation Manager
>>> ....................................................................
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> Documentation Manager
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> ....................................................................
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