[oXygen-user] Going from FrameMaker to oXygen / FM Structure View vs. oXy Outline View / Feature request
Frank Dissinger
frank.dissinger at cgs-oris.com
Mon Jan 9 03:37:08 CST 2023
Hi Alan,
Thank you for your reply. I fully agree with what you wrote about FM's
Structure View. An excellent tool.
It would be great if oXygen could enhance its Outline View and make it
work in a similar way. I am especially missing the following features:
* Allow users to place the cursor between tags, or at the
beginning/end of the element contents, and indicate the position
* Display attributes: Toggle between all/all with a value/none (no
need to waste room on the screen for a separate Attributes window)
* Expand/collapse complete tree of elements or attributes in one go
(Shift-click)
* Element content should not be repeated for empty wrapping elements,
this is confusing (show it only once)
For exmaple, for <li><p>Text..., the "Text" is shown both for <li>
and <p>. It should only be shown for <p>.
Can I add this as feature request?
I have now switched to the oXygen Users Mailing List and will post any
further oXygen-related issues there.
Regards,
Frank
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Am 04.01.2023 um 22:05 schrieb Alan Houser:
> Chiming in a bit late here. Longtime structured FrameMaker and oXygen
> user...
>
> *Frank mentions the FrameMaker structure view. IMO, this is the best
> and most distinctive part of the FrameMaker structured authoring
> interface. Easy access to any part of the document. Expand/collapse at
> any level of the document hierarchy; locally or globally (e.g.
> expand/collapse "this" section; expand/collapse all sections). Full
> navigation capabilities. Visual feedback (and shortcut control) over
> cursor location -- beginning, middle, or end of an element.
> Configurable and interactive attribute display.*
> *
> *
> *While most XML editors provide some sort of outline view, I've never
> seen one as full-featured and useful as the FrameMaker structure view.*
>
> I occasionally use the oXygen Outline View for quick navigation in
> larger XML documents. And the "folding" feature in the edit window to
> expand/collapse content. But these don't fully replace what one can do
> with the FrameMaker structure view.
>
> I think you will find that oXygen provides more and different features
> than Structured FrameMaker, many of which you will come to appreciate.
> I suggest (as you are doing) learning how to be most productive with
> the oXygen features and workflow. And be prepared to miss the
> FrameMaker structure view. 🙁
>
> -Alan
> --
> Alan Houser
> Group Wellesley, Inc.
> Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing
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>
>
>
>> On Dec 8, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Frank Dissinger
>> <frank.dissinger at cgs-oris.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Chris
>> Radu
>> Stefan
>> Thomas
>> Yves
>>
>> for your replies, this valuable information and for offering me your
>> help.
>>
>> I have already made some initial progress. I have successfully
>> created a custom framework with my own CSS file and are getting my
>> topic editor window panel look more and more the way I like (using
>> the 'print-ready' display style).
>>
>> I'll try to dig a bit deeper into this matter and will collect the
>> questions and issues as I get on with this. I'll then come back to you.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Frank
>>
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>> Am 06.12.2022 um 17:42 schrieb Frank Dissinger:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Are there any passionate long-term structured FrameMaker users who
>>> have changed to oXygen as a DITA editor? Has anybody tried to set up
>>> the oXygen authoring environment as close as possible to
>>> FrameMaker's WYSIWYG view? Or at least in a way that makes the
>>> switch as painless as possible for a FrameMaker user?
>>>
>>> I've been using FrameMaker V11+DITA-FMx as a DITA editor for many
>>> years -- until recently also as a PDF transformation engine, which I
>>> have now replaced with MiramoPDF. I have used oXygen for a few years
>>> only and mostly as a transformation engine. With FM I am stuck with
>>> an old DITA implementation and the DITA-FMx plug-in is not developed
>>> any further. This is why I would like to use oXygen as a DITA editor
>>> instead. But I find it very hard to make the switch: The way DITA
>>> maps, topics, tags, structures... are presented is so different and
>>> I haven't the time to learn oXygen properly and in full detail. It's
>>> such a powerful tool with tons of features. So I thought there may
>>> be someone who can help me getting started -- at least with setting
>>> up the user interface and authoring environment.
>>>
>>> A few examples of things I am struggling with right away when I look
>>> at how oXygen presents my DITA files:
>>>
>>> * It seems that a DITA map loads all the referenced submaps and
>>> displays all of these maps in a single window panel (as if this
>>> was a single file). In FM I see only the references and open the
>>> submaps as separate files by double-clicking on them.
>>> * I feel lost in these maps. There are lots of big fonts, frames,
>>> colored backgrounds, icons... Can I customize the appearance?
>>> For example, by defining CSS-like styles for the DITA elements
>>> displayed on the screen?
>>> * The Outline view is a bit similar to FM's Structure View. But I
>>> am used to setting the cursor into the Structure View to
>>> precisely define the point where to insert an element. This does
>>> not work in oXygen.
>>> * I'd like to see text and images without any tags in one window
>>> panel and the DITA structure with elements and attributes in a
>>> separate panel. I know I can switch off tags and use the Outline
>>> view, but I am not sure if this really gives me full control
>>> over everything...
>>> * How does oXygen visualize conditionalized content
>>> (included/excluded via a ditaval file)?
>>> * Can I define a fixed page size in oXygen? I'd like to set a page
>>> width (height is not important) to make sure that images fit on
>>> the page and that table columns are not too narrow (in PDF
>>> deliverables). Setting an image resolution is also important.
>>> * ...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Frank
>> --
>> *Frank Dissinger*
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