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<p>Hi Alan,</p>
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<p>Thank you for your reply. I fully agree with what you wrote about
FM's Structure View. An excellent tool.</p>
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</p>
<p>It would be great if oXygen could enhance its Outline View and
make it work in a similar way. I am especially missing the
following features:</p>
<ul>
<li>Allow users to place the cursor between tags, or at the
beginning/end of the element contents, and indicate the position<br>
</li>
<li>Display attributes: Toggle between all/all with a value/none
(no need to waste room on the screen for a separate Attributes
window)<br>
</li>
<li>Expand/collapse complete tree of elements or attributes in one
go (Shift-click)</li>
<li>Element content should not be repeated for empty wrapping
elements, this is confusing (show it only once)<br>
For exmaple, for <li><p>Text..., the "Text" is shown
both for <li> and <p>. It should only be shown for
<p>.</li>
</ul>
<p>Can I add this as feature request?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I have now switched to the oXygen Users Mailing List and will
post any further oXygen-related issues there.</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Frank</p>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">Am 04.01.2023 um 22:05 schrieb Alan
Houser:<br>
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Chiming in a bit late here. Longtime structured FrameMaker and
oXygen user...
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<div><b>Frank mentions the FrameMaker structure view. IMO, this is
the best and most distinctive part of the FrameMaker
structured authoring interface. Easy access to any part of the
document. Expand/collapse at any level of the document
hierarchy; locally or globally (e.g. expand/collapse "this"
section; expand/collapse all sections). Full navigation
capabilities. Visual feedback (and shortcut control) over
cursor location -- beginning, middle, or end of an element.
Configurable and interactive attribute display.</b></div>
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<div><b>While most XML editors provide some sort of outline view,
I've never seen one as full-featured and useful as the
FrameMaker structure view.</b></div>
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<div>I occasionally use the oXygen Outline View for quick
navigation in larger XML documents. And the "folding" feature in
the edit window to expand/collapse content. But these don't
fully replace what one can do with the FrameMaker structure
view.</div>
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<div>I think you will find that oXygen provides more and different
features than Structured FrameMaker, many of which you will come
to appreciate. I suggest (as you are doing) learning how to be
most productive with the oXygen features and workflow. And be
prepared to miss the FrameMaker structure view. 🙁</div>
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<div>-Alan</div>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com"><frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com></a> wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Chris<br>
Radu<br>
Stefan<br>
Thomas<br>
Yves</div>
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text-decoration: none;">for your replies, this valuable
information and for offering me your help.</div>
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;">I have already made some initial
progress. I have successfully created a custom framework
with my own CSS file and are getting my topic editor
window panel look more and more the way I like (using
the 'print-ready' display style).</div>
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letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent:
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none;">I'll try to dig a bit deeper
into this matter and will collect the questions and
issues as I get on with this. I'll then come back to
you.</div>
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text-decoration: none;">Best regards,</div>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">Am 06.12.2022 um 17:42 schrieb
Frank Dissinger:<br>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Hi all,</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Are there any passionate
long-term structured FrameMaker users who have changed
to oXygen as a DITA editor? Has anybody tried to set
up the oXygen authoring environment as close as
possible to FrameMaker's WYSIWYG view? Or at least in
a way that makes the switch as painless as possible
for a FrameMaker user?<br>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">I've been using FrameMaker
V11+DITA-FMx as a DITA editor for many years -- until
recently also as a PDF transformation engine, which I
have now replaced with MiramoPDF. I have used oXygen
for a few years only and mostly as a transformation
engine. With FM I am stuck with an old DITA
implementation and the DITA-FMx plug-in is not
developed any further. This is why I would like to use
oXygen as a DITA editor instead. But I find it very
hard to make the switch: The way DITA maps, topics,
tags, structures... are presented is so different and
I haven't the time to learn oXygen properly and in
full detail. It's such a powerful tool with tons of
features. So I thought there may be someone who can
help me getting started -- at least with setting up
the user interface and authoring environment.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><br>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">A few examples of things I am
struggling with right away when I look at how oXygen
presents my DITA files:<br>
</div>
<ul>
<li>It seems that a DITA map loads all the referenced
submaps and displays all of these maps in a single
window panel (as if this was a single file). In FM I
see only the references and open the submaps as
separate files by double-clicking on them.</li>
<li>I feel lost in these maps. There are lots of big
fonts, frames, colored backgrounds, icons... Can I
customize the appearance? For example, by defining
CSS-like styles for the DITA elements displayed on
the screen?</li>
<li>The Outline view is a bit similar to FM's
Structure View. But I am used to setting the cursor
into the Structure View to precisely define the
point where to insert an element. This does not work
in oXygen.</li>
<li>I'd like to see text and images without any tags
in one window panel and the DITA structure with
elements and attributes in a separate panel. I know
I can switch off tags and use the Outline view, but
I am not sure if this really gives me full control
over everything...<br>
</li>
<li>How does oXygen visualize conditionalized content
(included/excluded via a ditaval file)?</li>
<li>Can I define a fixed page size in oXygen? I'd like
to set a page width (height is not important) to
make sure that images fit on the page and that table
columns are not too narrow (in PDF deliverables).
Setting an image resolution is also important.</li>
<li>...<br>
</li>
</ul>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Regards,<br>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Frank<br>
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