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<p>Hi Frank,</p>
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<p>We have an internal issue about making various improvements to
our Outline side view and I added your comments to it.</p>
<p>Adding below a reference to the internal issue ID for future
reference:<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<p> EXM-44795 Improve Author Outline view to allow editing
attributes, placing caret</p>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Radu</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Radu Coravu
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/23 11:37, Frank Dissinger wrote:<br>
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<p>Hi Alan,</p>
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</p>
<p>Thank you for your reply. I fully agree with what you wrote
about FM's Structure View. An excellent tool.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>It would be great if oXygen could enhance its Outline View and
make it work in a similar way. I am especially missing the
following features:</p>
<ul>
<li>Allow users to place the cursor between tags, or at the
beginning/end of the element contents, and indicate the
position<br>
</li>
<li>Display attributes: Toggle between all/all with a value/none
(no need to waste room on the screen for a separate Attributes
window)<br>
</li>
<li>Expand/collapse complete tree of elements or attributes in
one go (Shift-click)</li>
<li>Element content should not be repeated for empty wrapping
elements, this is confusing (show it only once)<br>
For exmaple, for <li><p>Text..., the "Text" is
shown both for <li> and <p>. It should only be
shown for <p>.</li>
</ul>
<p>Can I add this as feature request?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I have now switched to the oXygen Users Mailing List and will
post any further oXygen-related issues there.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p><br>
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<p>Frank</p>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">Am 04.01.2023 um 22:05 schrieb Alan
Houser:<br>
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Chiming in a bit late here. Longtime structured FrameMaker and
oXygen user...
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<div><b>Frank mentions the FrameMaker structure view. IMO, this
is the best and most distinctive part of the FrameMaker
structured authoring interface. Easy access to any part of
the document. Expand/collapse at any level of the document
hierarchy; locally or globally (e.g. expand/collapse "this"
section; expand/collapse all sections). Full navigation
capabilities. Visual feedback (and shortcut control) over
cursor location -- beginning, middle, or end of an element.
Configurable and interactive attribute display.</b></div>
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</b></div>
<div><b>While most XML editors provide some sort of outline
view, I've never seen one as full-featured and useful as the
FrameMaker structure view.</b></div>
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<div>I occasionally use the oXygen Outline View for quick
navigation in larger XML documents. And the "folding" feature
in the edit window to expand/collapse content. But these don't
fully replace what one can do with the FrameMaker structure
view.</div>
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<div>I think you will find that oXygen provides more and
different features than Structured FrameMaker, many of which
you will come to appreciate. I suggest (as you are doing)
learning how to be most productive with the oXygen features
and workflow. And be prepared to miss the FrameMaker structure
view. 🙁</div>
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<div>-Alan</div>
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<div>-- <br>
Alan Houser<br>
Group Wellesley, Inc.<br>
Consultant and Trainer, Technical Publishing<br>
arh on Twitter<br>
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<div>On Dec 8, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Frank Dissinger <a
class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com></a>
wrote:</div>
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<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;">Thank you,</div>
<blockquote style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Chris<br>
Radu<br>
Stefan<br>
Thomas<br>
Yves</div>
</blockquote>
<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;">for your replies, this
valuable information and for offering me your help.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;">I have already made some
initial progress. I have successfully created a custom
framework with my own CSS file and are getting my
topic editor window panel look more and more the way I
like (using the 'print-ready' display style).</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;">I'll try to dig a bit
deeper into this matter and will collect the questions
and issues as I get on with this. I'll then come back
to you.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;"><br>
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<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;">Best regards,</div>
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font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
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normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;"><br>
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<div style="margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style:
normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400;
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none;">Frank</div>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">Am 06.12.2022 um 17:42
schrieb Frank Dissinger:<br>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Hi all,</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Are there any passionate
long-term structured FrameMaker users who have
changed to oXygen as a DITA editor? Has anybody
tried to set up the oXygen authoring environment as
close as possible to FrameMaker's WYSIWYG view? Or
at least in a way that makes the switch as painless
as possible for a FrameMaker user?<br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">I've been using FrameMaker
V11+DITA-FMx as a DITA editor for many years --
until recently also as a PDF transformation engine,
which I have now replaced with MiramoPDF. I have
used oXygen for a few years only and mostly as a
transformation engine. With FM I am stuck with an
old DITA implementation and the DITA-FMx plug-in is
not developed any further. This is why I would like
to use oXygen as a DITA editor instead. But I find
it very hard to make the switch: The way DITA maps,
topics, tags, structures... are presented is so
different and I haven't the time to learn oXygen
properly and in full detail. It's such a powerful
tool with tons of features. So I thought there may
be someone who can help me getting started -- at
least with setting up the user interface and
authoring environment.</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;">A few examples of things I
am struggling with right away when I look at how
oXygen presents my DITA files:<br>
</div>
<ul>
<li>It seems that a DITA map loads all the
referenced submaps and displays all of these maps
in a single window panel (as if this was a single
file). In FM I see only the references and open
the submaps as separate files by double-clicking
on them.</li>
<li>I feel lost in these maps. There are lots of big
fonts, frames, colored backgrounds, icons... Can I
customize the appearance? For example, by defining
CSS-like styles for the DITA elements displayed on
the screen?</li>
<li>The Outline view is a bit similar to FM's
Structure View. But I am used to setting the
cursor into the Structure View to precisely define
the point where to insert an element. This does
not work in oXygen.</li>
<li>I'd like to see text and images without any tags
in one window panel and the DITA structure with
elements and attributes in a separate panel. I
know I can switch off tags and use the Outline
view, but I am not sure if this really gives me
full control over everything...<br>
</li>
<li>How does oXygen visualize conditionalized
content (included/excluded via a ditaval file)?</li>
<li>Can I define a fixed page size in oXygen? I'd
like to set a page width (height is not important)
to make sure that images fit on the page and that
table columns are not too narrow (in PDF
deliverables). Setting an image resolution is also
important.</li>
<li>...<br>
</li>
</ul>
<div style="margin: 0px;">Regards,<br>
</div>
<div style="margin: 0px;"><br>
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<div style="margin: 0px;">Frank<br>
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