[oXygen-user] Is Tamil among the languages for which a specific collation is available?

Thu Sep 21 03:03:18 CDT 2017

Dear Radu,

now comes what we call in French "une question subsidiaire" :-)

Should I expect to have to do the same manipulation each time
Oxygen is upgraded to a new (major) version,
or to a new "build"?

Best wishes

-- Jean-Luc (in Pondy)

https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956

On 21/09/2017 10:52, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Radu Coravu) wrote:
> Hi Jean-Luc,
>
> No problem. I'm glad this works for you now.
>
> Regards,
> Radu
>
> Radu Coravu
> <oXygen/>  XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger
> http://www.oxygenxml.com
>
> On 9/21/2017 8:19 AM, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
>> POST-SCRIPTUM
>>
>> I have to apologize for sending an unnecessary request.
>>
>> As pointed out just now by Thilak Bhaskaran,
>> who works in our EFEO research center,
>> the file "icu4j.jar"
>> DOES EXIST on the Windows laptop also.
>>
>> It is located in
>> the "lib" directory
>> of the folder called "Oxygen XML Editor 19"
>>
>> I have replaced it by "icu4j-59_1.jar"
>> and restarted Oxygen
>> and now the Tamil Alphabetical order
>> is perfectly obtained.
>>
>> That is GREAT!
>>
>> -- Jean-Luc (in Pondy)
>>
>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>
>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>>
>>
>>
>> ##############################
>>
>> Dear Radu,
>>
>> this morning in Pondicherry
>> I have tried to locate the "icu4j.jar"
>> and was successful in the case of my UBUNTU laptop (running Ubuntu 
>> 14.04)
>> but UNSUCCESSFUL  in the case of my Windows laptop (running Windows 7).
>>
>> I am part of a research team where both types of computers are 
>> represented
>> and have to be conversant with both sides.
>>
>> I usually run Oxygen on the Windows Laptop (where I have a bigger screen
>> :-)
>> and my version is
>> <oXygen/> XML Editor 19.0, build 2017042020
>>
>> I occasionally run Oxygen on my Ubuntu laptop
>> and have not yet upgraded to Oxygen 18
>> and my version there is
>> <oXygen/> XML Editor 18.0, build 2016051118
>>
>> Since I could not locate the "icu4j.jar" on the Windows laptop,
>> I could apply your solution ONLY on the Ubuntu laptop,
>> WHERE IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
>>
>> THANKS A LOT for your timely and efficient help.
>>
>> All that remains for me to be happy is your telling me how to handle the
>> Windows 7 laptop.
>>
>> As far as I can see,
>> inside the "Program Files" folder
>> there is a folder called "Oxygen XML Editor 19"
>> that folder contains a folder called ".install4j"
>> which contains several .jar files
>> but none is called "icu4j.jar"
>> and a SEARCH on the computer hard disk does not reveal anything
>>
>> Thanks for giving me additional pointers
>>
>> Of course, I could use the Ubuntu machine as my main machine ;-)
>> but I can't expect everyone else to also do that .... ;-)
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> -- Jean-Luc (in Pondy)
>>
>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>
>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/09/2017 18:14, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Radu Coravu) wrote:
>>> Hi Jean-Luc,
>>>
>>> I tried working a little bit with your samples on my side and I think
>>> I managed to make this work.
>>> In the Oxygen libraries directory "OXYGEN_INSTALL_DIR\lib" there is a
>>> JAR library called "icu4j.jar". It is an incomplete version of a
>>> larger ICU4J library which can be downloaded from:
>>>
>>> http://site.icu-project.org/download/59#TOC-ICU4J-Download
>>>
>>> Once you have the "icu4j-59_1.jar", move the original "icu4j.jar" from
>>> the Oxygen library folder to some other place and replace it with this
>>> larger JAR library.
>>>
>>> Also the xsl:sort in the XSLT worked only if I used this syntax:
>>>
>>>> <xsl:sort select="."
>>>> collation="http://www.w3.org/2013/collation/UCA?lang=ta"/>
>>>
>>> I do not know much about the values that the collation attribute
>>> takes, but this was in one of the examples on the Saxonica
>>> documentation page:
>>>
>>> http://www.saxonica.com/html/documentation/xsl-elements/sort.html
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Radu
>>>
>>> Radu Coravu
>>> <oXygen/>  XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger
>>> http://www.oxygenxml.com
>>>
>>> On 9/19/2017 5:15 PM, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
>>>> Greetings
>>>>
>>>> The title of this message says it all:
>>>>
>>>> Is Tamil among the languages for which a specific collation is 
>>>> available
>>>> when using Oxygen?
>>>>
>>>> I have to sort items in the Tamil alphabetical order,
>>>> but when I specify that « lang="ta" »
>>>> as a parameter in my sort command,
>>>> the order I obtain is the one which is based
>>>> on the Unicode codepoint collation,
>>>> which is not what one expects while sorting Tamil words
>>>>
>>>> The same thing happens if I define
>>>> a parameter such as
>>>>
>>>> <xsl:param name="sorting-collation"
>>>> select="'http://saxon.sf.net/collation?lang=ta'"/>
>>>>
>>>> and then use it in a sort command
>>>>
>>>> <xsl:sort select="." collation="{$sorting-collation}"/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To give a specific example
>>>> the following short list is extracted from a much longer list
>>>> which is part of an HTML file
>>>> created by applying an XSLT file
>>>> (containing SORT commands)
>>>> to an XML file
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <ul>
>>>> <li>அத்தத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனந்தன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனற்பொறியின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனற்றிரளின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனுடத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அமரமாதர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 2 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அரக்கர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அருகன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 43 items]</li>
>>>> </ul>
>>>>
>>>> HOWEVER, this is not the proper Tamil dictionnary order order, which
>>>> should be:
>>>>
>>>> <ul>
>>>> <li>அத்தத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அமரமாதர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 2 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அரக்கர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அருகன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 43 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனந்தன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனற்பொறியின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனற்றிரளின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>> <li>அனுடத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>> </ul>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (currently in Pondicherry, India)
>>>>
>>>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
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