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On 8/29/06, Colin Adams <colinpauladams@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re: [xsl] What is a better word for "de-duplication"?
Subject: Re: [xsl] What is a better word for "de-duplication"? From: "Dimitre Novatchev" <dnovatchev@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 05:58:51 -0700 |
On 8/29/06, Colin Adams <colinpauladams@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Why not "unique nodes"?
Because this does not convey the meaning that they were *made* unique. Unique nodes may have been unique all the time without any action to extract them from a larger set.
about.
>From: "Dimitre Novatchev" <dnovatchev@xxxxxxxxx> >Reply-To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: Re: [xsl] What is a better word for "de-duplication"? >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 16:43:24 -0700 > >Certainly "duplicate elimination" is precise and clear and of course I >knew about this phrase and still asked my initial question. Why? > >Because I was looking for a single word to describe the set of nodes >resulting from duplicate elimination. > >While I can say > > "factorised nodes" > >it is quite awkward to say: > > "duplicate-eliminated" nodes. > >and > > "nodes with eliminated duplicates" > >is a long, 4-word phrase. > > > >This explains why "factorised nodes" best serves my needs. > > > >-- >Cheers, >Dimitre Novatchev >--------------------------------------- >Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant intelligence. >--------------------------------------- >To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk > > >On 8/28/06, Jim Melton <jim.melton@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>I think that my serious suggestion a couple of days ago got lost >>because of my joke. The joke was "uniquify". The serious suggestion >>was "duplicate elimination". That is very clear, not ambiguous, easy >>to say, and doesn't depend on any vocabulary that requires further >>explanation. >> >>I doubt that as much as 5% of the users of XQuery, SQL, and even XSLT >>will be able to figure out what "node factorisation" means -- heck, >>even I'm uncertain why you think that the term is sufficiently >>meaningful to seriously suggest it. >> >>Hope this helps, >> Jim >> >>At 8/28/2006 03:45 PM, Dimitre Novatchev wrote: >> >Hi Wendell, >> > >> >>Honestly, if it were me (assuming I even decided to fight that >> >>battle) I would also always say "commonly called 'deduplication'", or >> >>something similar, to signal most readers that I was, in fact, just >> >>using a specialized term to describe something they already know
intelligence.>> > >> >That's very good advice. >> > >> >So, let's from now on refer to it as: >> > >> > node factorisation aka de-duplication. >> > >> >After repeating this sufficient number of times people will start to >> >use the obviously better word, then the "aka" part will naturally wean >> >out. Then hopefully people who write books will use the better phrase >> >in their next book. >> > >> >Apologies to Tommie and thanks for her patience. I realize we are on >> >the edge of what is on-topic and, as it appears everybody who wanted >> >to have their say did so, I would appeal to close this thread unless >> >someone finds a strikingly more appropriate phrase. >> > >> >Personally, I find the benefit of such terminological discussions not >> >only in the final result but also in the fact that they make us think >> >what is the essence of the thing being named. >> > >> >As such, the purpose of my asking this question has been fulfilled. >> > >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Cheers, >> >Dimitre Novatchev >> >--------------------------------------- >> >Truly great madness cannot be achieved without significant
about.>> >--------------------------------------- >> >To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >On 8/28/06, Wendell Piez <wapiez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>Hey Dimitre, >> >> >> >>At 01:57 PM 8/28/2006, you wrote: >> >> >>Not bad -- for the advanced student, again. >> >> >> >> >> >>"Identification" or "unique identification" might be better for >>beginners. >> >> > >> >> >Then I think >> >> > >> >> > "id-factorisation" >> >> > >> >> >or just >> >> > >> >> > "factorisation" >> >> > >> >> >(because we know what kind of factorisation takes place) is better >> >> >than de-duplication. >> >> >> >>Except for the part about having to explain it to everyone.... :-) >> >> >> >>Honestly, if it were me (assuming I even decided to fight that >> >>battle) I would also always say "commonly called 'deduplication'", or >> >>something similar, to signal most readers that I was, in fact, just >> >>using a specialized term to describe something they already know
>> >> >> >>Cheers, >> >>Wendell >> > >> >>======================================================================== >>Jim Melton --- Editor of ISO/IEC 9075-* (SQL) Phone: +1.801.942.0144 >> Co-Chair, W3C XML Query WG; F&O (etc.) editor Fax : +1.801.942.3345 >>Oracle Corporation Oracle Email: jim dot melton at oracle dot com >>1930 Viscounti Drive Standards email: jim dot melton at acm dot org >>Sandy, UT 84093-1063 USA Personal email: jim at melton dot name >>======================================================================== >>= Facts are facts. But any opinions expressed are the opinions = >>= only of myself and may or may not reflect the opinions of anybody = >>= else with whom I may or may not have discussed the issues at hand. = >>======================================================================== >
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