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<p>Thank you to Radu and the others who replied to my question.</p>
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<p>I understand that the best way to create tables with grid lines
everywhere is when you set both @frame, @colsep and @rowsep = "1"
for the <table> element.</p>
<p>It can be done differently, but this is likely to be rendered
correctly with every default transformation and needs less effort
than having to set @colsep and @rowsep for other elements like
<tgroup> or each and every <entry>.</p>
<p>I have adjusted my Schematron rules accordingly.</p>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Frank<br>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">Am 13.04.2023 um 07:29 schrieb Oxygen
XML Editor Support (Radu Coravu):<br>
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<p>Hi Frank,</p>
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<p>About this question:</p>
<p> </p>
<blockquote type="cite">So perhaps, to keep my DITA data portable
and to ensure they are rendered correctly with other
transformations, it would be safer to also set @colsep and
@rowsep to "1". But really for each <entry>? Wouldn't it
be enough for <table>?</blockquote>
Setting the attributes on the table or tgroup will propagate the
values as inherited for each table cell. So you do not need to set
them individually on each cell. You only would do that if you want
the table cell to have a different value of @rowsep/@colsep than
the value set on the table. <br>
<p>Setting the attributes on the colspec will influence only the
entries in that column.</p>
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<p>Also link to CALS table specs:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://www.oasis-open.org/specs/a502.htm"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.oasis-open.org/specs/a502.htm</a><br>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Radu</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/12/23 18:18, Frank Dissinger
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<p>Thank you!</p>
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<p>Hm... These attributes were set on <table> and
<tgroup> in my DITA files, but not on <entry>, and
the attribute value was sometimes = "0", sometimes = "1".
Nevertheless the tables rendered correctly, but perhaps only
because I have set up the CSS and MiramoPDF styles to create
frames for all table cells for all <table> elements.
I'll have to investigate this...</p>
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<p>So perhaps, to keep my DITA data portable and to ensure they
are rendered correctly with other transformations, it would be
safer to also set @colsep and @rowsep to "1". But really for
each <entry>? Wouldn't it be enough for <table>?</p>
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<p>Frank<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.04.2023 um 16:36 schrieb
Michael Boudreau:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">For a
CALS table, <b>@frame=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">all</span>"</b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> draws a border around all four
outside edges of the table; it does not affect the
interior lines. See <a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">To
indicate a table with all the grid lines visible, CALS
requires <b>@frame=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">all</span>"</b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> as well as <b>@colsep=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">1</span>"</b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> and <b>@rowsep=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt">1</span>"</b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt"> on all <entry> elements
(you can omit colsep on the rightmost cells and rowsep
on the finalrow).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Can someone shed some light on how the <b>@colsep</b>
and<b> @rowsep</b> attributes are used for CALS tables?
The information I found is not clear and detailed enough
for me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I understand that these attributes create separator lines
for colums and rows. Do I only need these attributes when
I do not set <b>@frame="all"</b> to create lines for
particular rows or columns only?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>For a normal CALS table with lines for all rows and
columns (i.e. like a grid), is enough to set <b>@frame="all"</b>
or do I additionally need these attributes? The code that
Oxygen creates (see below) with these settings (i.e.
without these attributes) ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>does not have these <b>@colsep</b> and<b> @rowsep</b>
attributes, only <b>@frame="all"</b>, and is rendered as
desired with my CHM and PDF transformations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I have several tables with <b>@colsep</b>/<b>@rowsep="0"
</b>or<b> ="1"</b>. These attributes may have been added
by FrameMaker when I converted unstructured content to
DITA. Can I safely remove all of these attributes when I
just want a CALS table with row and line separators every
(like a grid)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
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