<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="auto">If you are trying to determine if your files are portable, I'd run your content through the standard OT plugins for pdf and html to test your results.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'd also suggest that rather than trying to use the framemaker converted files I'd start building some test content that you build directly with oxygen. It doesn't have to be big and complicated, just enough to verify your questions and concerns. You might want to use your content for examples but build a 2 col 3 row table and see what happens when you apply the different attributes at different levels. Start simple and where you would like to mange the rules, process and see what you get. Once you get the sample table the way you want compare it with the framemaker version and strip out or add markup as needed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Collect all of these samples together in an organized manner and now you have a minimal test document that you can test with rather than trying to find examples in the larger content body. This format sample will help you as you add tools or switch vendors an approaches. You will now have a small sample you can quickly run or import into these tools to understand how well they work or changes you will have to make.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div id="composer_signature" dir="auto"><div style="font-size:12px;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br></div><div align="left" dir="auto" style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Frank Dissinger <frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com> </div><div>Date: 4/12/23 8:18 AM (GMT-08:00) </div><div>To: Oxygen User Mailing List <oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com> </div><div>Subject: [oXygen-user] Understanding @colsep and @rowsep </div><div><br></div></div>
<p>Thank you!</p>
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<p>Hm... These attributes were set on <table> and
<tgroup> in my DITA files, but not on <entry>, and the
attribute value was sometimes = "0", sometimes = "1". Nevertheless
the tables rendered correctly, but perhaps only because I have set
up the CSS and MiramoPDF styles to create frames for all table
cells for all <table> elements. I'll have to investigate
this...</p>
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<p>So perhaps, to keep my DITA data portable and to ensure they are
rendered correctly with other transformations, it would be safer
to also set @colsep and @rowsep to "1". But really for each
<entry>? Wouldn't it be enough for <table>?</p>
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<p>Frank<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.04.2023 um 16:36 schrieb Michael
Boudreau:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">For a CALS
table, <b>@frame=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">all</span>"</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> draws a border around all four
outside edges of the table; it does not affect the interior
lines. See <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dtd.nlm.nih.gov/options/OASIS/tag-library/19990315/index.html">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">To indicate
a table with all the grid lines visible, CALS requires
<b>@frame=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">all</span>"</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> as well as
<b>@colsep=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1</span>"</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> and
<b>@rowsep=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1</span>"</b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> on all <entry> elements (you
can omit colsep on the rightmost cells and rowsep on the
finalrow).</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt" class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
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Frank Dissinger <a href="mailto:frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Oxygen User Mailing List
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<b>Subject: </b>[oXygen-user] Understanding @colsep and
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<p>Hi all,</p>
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<p>Can someone shed some light on how the <b>@colsep</b> and<b>
@rowsep</b> attributes are used for CALS tables? The
information I found is not clear and detailed enough for me.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>I understand that these attributes create separator lines for
colums and rows. Do I only need these attributes when I do not
set
<b>@frame="all"</b> to create lines for particular rows or
columns only?</p>
<p> </p>
<p>For a normal CALS table with lines for all rows and columns
(i.e. like a grid), is enough to set
<b>@frame="all"</b> or do I additionally need these
attributes? The code that Oxygen creates (see below) with
these settings (i.e. without these attributes) ...</p>
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<p>does not have these <b>@colsep</b> and<b> @rowsep</b>
attributes, only <b>@frame="all"</b>, and is rendered as
desired with my CHM and PDF transformations.</p>
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<p>I have several tables with <b>@colsep</b>/<b>@rowsep="0" </b>or<b>
="1"</b>. These attributes may have been added by FrameMaker
when I converted unstructured content to DITA. Can I safely
remove all of these attributes when I just want a CALS table
with row and line separators every (like a grid)?</p>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Frank</p>
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