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    <p>Thank you!</p>
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    <p>Hm... These attributes were set on <table> and
      <tgroup> in my DITA files, but not on <entry>, and the
      attribute value was sometimes = "0", sometimes = "1". Nevertheless
      the tables rendered correctly, but perhaps only because I have set
      up the CSS and MiramoPDF styles to create frames for all table
      cells for all <table> elements. I'll have to investigate
      this...</p>
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    <p>So perhaps, to keep my DITA data portable and to ensure they are
      rendered correctly with other transformations, it would be safer
      to also set @colsep and @rowsep to "1". But really for each
      <entry>? Wouldn't it be enough for <table>?</p>
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    <p>Frank<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 12.04.2023 um 16:36 schrieb Michael
      Boudreau:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">For a CALS
            table, <b>@frame=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt">all</span>"</b><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt"> draws a border around all four
            outside edges of the table; it does not affect the interior
            lines. See <a
href="https://dtd.nlm.nih.gov/options/OASIS/tag-library/19990315/index.html"
              moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://dtd.nlm.nih.gov/options/OASIS/tag-library/19990315/index.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">To indicate
            a table with all the grid lines visible, CALS requires
            <b>@frame=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt">all</span>"</b><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt"> as well as
            <b>@colsep=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt">1</span>"</b><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt"> and
            <b>@rowsep=</b></span><b>"</b><b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt">1</span>"</b><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt"> on all <entry> elements (you
            can omit colsep on the rightmost cells and rowsep on the
            finalrow).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">-- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Michael
                R. Boudreau<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Electronic
                Publishing Technology Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">The
                University of Chicago Press<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1427 E.
                60<sup>th</sup> Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Chicago,
                IL 60637<o:p></o:p></span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.journals.uchicago.edu">www.journals.uchicago.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
              </span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">oXygen-user
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oxygen-user-bounces@oxygenxml.com"><oxygen-user-bounces@oxygenxml.com></a> on behalf of
              Frank Dissinger <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com"><frank.dissinger@cgs-oris.com></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 9:26 AM<br>
              <b>To: </b>Oxygen User Mailing List
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com"><oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>[oXygen-user] Understanding @colsep and
              @rowsep<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Can someone shed some light on how the <b>@colsep</b> and<b>
            @rowsep</b> attributes are used for CALS tables? The
          information I found is not clear and detailed enough for me.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>I understand that these attributes create separator lines for
          colums and rows. Do I only need these attributes when I do not
          set
          <b>@frame="all"</b> to create lines for particular rows or
          columns only?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>For a normal CALS table with lines for all rows and columns
          (i.e. like a grid), is enough to set
          <b>@frame="all"</b> or do I additionally need these
          attributes? The code that Oxygen creates (see below) with
          these settings (i.e. without these attributes) ...<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p>does not have these <b>@colsep</b> and<b> @rowsep</b>
          attributes, only <b>@frame="all"</b>, and is rendered as
          desired with my CHM and PDF transformations.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>I have several tables with <b>@colsep</b>/<b>@rowsep="0" </b>or<b>
            ="1"</b>. These attributes may have been added by FrameMaker
          when I converted unstructured content to DITA. Can I safely
          remove all of these attributes when I just want a CALS table
          with row and line separators every (like a grid)?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p>Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p><o:p><br>
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