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<p>Hi Kris,</p>
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<p>Thank you for your reply.</p>
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<p>I fully agree with the requirements you describe.</p>
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</p>
<p>In FrameMaker I was used to work in WYSIWYG view with no tags
displayed. The Structure View and the formatting styles in the
Editor window gave me enough information about the DITA tags and
structure. I used the Elements window to insert or wrap elements
and edited Attributes using the Structure View or a DITA-FMx
dialog.</p>
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<p>When I now view my DITA topics in oXygen I would like to see them
in a similar way just because otherwise I wouldn't be sure if it
is really the same document. Sounds strange perhaps, but it is
indeed extremely confusing to me to see something that seems to be
different. Perhaps after some time, when I am conversant with
oXygen, I may have more confidence in other views...</p>
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</p>
<p>So in oXygen I prefer the "No tags" view. With this there are
still lots of icons (for opening link targets, expand/collapse
sections...) and additional text ("Short description", "Result",
...) which I would prefer to hide. Most of this can be done using
the "Print-ready" style and lots of CSS code which I take from the
CSS Inspector window and adapt.</p>
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<p>However, this means that I would have to rely on the Outline
view, the Attributes window and the breadcrumbs to see the
structure. These tools do not give me the same information,
convenience and capabilities that I am used in FrameMaker. I
therefore thought it could be a workaround to quickly toggle my
preferred view ("Print ready") and "Full tags" (or "Full tags with
attributs") using a keyboard shortcut. However, there are no
shortcuts for styles.</p>
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<p>But I discovered that you can define keyboard shortcuts for "No
tags", "Full tags", etc. And Radu gave me CSS code that creates a
button in every topic that toggles between "No tags" and the last
tags view chosen for the topic. I was able to get rid of some
texts like "Short description" (which I indicate using a color)
and the like using some more CSS code. The extra icons are still
there, but they do not take up much room so I can live with them
(and they are usful).</p>
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<p>Best regards,</p>
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<p>Frank</p>
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<hr width="100%" size="2">Am 04.01.2023 um 06:42 schrieb Kristen
James Eberlein:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, Frank.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have not used FrameMaker for almost two
decades, so I cannot be of much help in your quest to “set up
the Author mode in a way which comes close to what I was used
in FrameMaker”. Whether or not you can do that, I truly don’t
know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It might be the case that it would be
helpful for you to state your needs as functional requirements
– While Oxygen might not offer the same authoring
nuances/interface as FrameMaker, if it can be done in XML,
Oxygen offers a way to do it! <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For example, here are the requirements that
I inferred from your e-mail:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">As an
author, I want to have a WYSIWYG interface that looks
similar to how content is rendered for my company. (Easy to
do with CSS and an Oxygen framework.)<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">As an
author, I want to easily navigate in a lengthy XML document.
(This is what the Outline view is optimized for, to enable
you to locate a specific element rapidly.)<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">As an
author, I want to have a WYSIWYG view where I can easily
view the underlying structure, both elements and attributes.
(For me, here is where I use the authoring view with full
tags and attributes turned on.)<o:p></o:p></li>
</ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Some of this, of course, might depend on
what you mean by WYSWYG … Does WYSIWYG encompass the Oxygen
Author view with “full tags and attributes”? Or are you
primarily interested in the “no tags” view? If the latter, you
can view the structure by looking at the breadcrumbs that are
displayed at the top of the window, under the topic title, and
the attributes by keeping the “Attributes” view open.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think all Oxygen users have slightly
different preferences, and they certainly can also be affected
by whether one has an external monitor or is simply working
within the confines of a small laptop or tablet screen.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Change is hard. Inevitably, when you switch
tools, I think you run into a need to shift at least a little
of your habits and preferences.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kris<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kristen James Eberlein<br>
Chair, OASIS DITA Technical Committee<br>
Owner, Eberlein Consulting LLC<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:kris@eberleinconsulting.com">kris@eberleinconsulting.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Skype: kriseberlein; voice: +1 (919)
622-1501<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Frank Dissinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 3, 2023 12:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Oxygen User Mailing List
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com"><oxygen-user@oxygenxml.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [oXygen-user] Going from FrameMaker to
oXygen -- Print-ready/Outline view issues<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>This is my first posting to this list.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I am in the process of switching from FrameMaker V11 +
DITA-FMx to oXygen V25 as my DITA editing tool. I have been
using oXyen for quite a while as a transformation engine, but
not as an editor. So in this respect I am still at the bottom
of the learning curve.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I'd like to set up the Author mode in a way which comes close
to what I was used in FrameMaker. I mainly worked in WYSIWYG
view and with the Structure View, Elements and Attributes
windows.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I have spent some effort on making oXygen's "Print-ready"
view for the Editor window (in Author mode) look as
WYSIWYG-ish as possible, with custom CSS styles that give me
visual clues to the underlying XML structure. I then thought
that I could use oXygen's Outline view in a similar way as
FM's Structure View, but I feel quite lost in this window.<o:p></o:p></p>
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level1 lfo1">
It does not allow me to position the cursor between the
elements<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
It shows only a single attribute, not all attributes that
are set<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
It shows only the attribute value, not the name<o:p></o:p></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0
level1 lfo1">
...<o:p></o:p></li>
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<p>I therefore find it hard to see the XML structure in the
Outline view and to place the cursor precisely when I want to
insert new elements.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>So I thought maybe I could perhaps quickly toggle the
"Print-ready" style on and off to see the tags and better find
the correct cursor position. Can I create a keyboard shortcut
for doing this?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
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