[oXygen-user] Is Tamil among the languages for which a specific collation is available?

Mon Mar 19 05:38:05 CDT 2018

Dear Radu,

today [2018/30/19] was the occasion for making use of your add-on
for more powerful collations
(see below).
:-)

I received notification of the availability of Oxygen 20 and immediately 
installed it.

As soon as I had installed Oxygen 20, I immediately noticed that Tamil 
sorting no longer worked properly.

Since my memory works by layers,
I first remembered the procedure of MANUALLY REPLACING the file "icu4j.jar"
by the file "icu4j-59_1.jar"
inside the .../Program Files/Oxygen XML Editor 20/lib
directory
and the correct Tamil sorting order was restored

I then remember *your add-on*,
available at
https://github.com/oxygenxml/oxygenxml.icu4j.i18n
and followed the instructions in the menu
*Help->Install new add-ons*

It continued to work fine.

I guess I shall have to wait until the arrival of Oxygen 21,
in order to see whether I am asked whether I still want to use the add-on
:-)

But of course, I am (probably) not the only one sorting Tamil data with 
the help of oXygen
:-)

Thanks a lot for making our lives easier

Cheers

-- Jean-Luc (in Paris)

https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard

https://twitter.com/JLC1956

On 21/09/2017 11:17, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Radu Coravu) wrote:
> Hi Jean-Luc,
>
> Indeed the installation procedure of the JAR library that I gave you 
> would need to be repeated for each new installed Oxygen version. Which 
> is not very practical.
>
> So I created an add-on for Oxygen which adds this extra library:
>
> https://github.com/oxygenxml/oxygenxml.icu4j.i18n
>
> It has installation instructions there. The add-on can be installed in 
> Oxygen no matter in what operating system it is running.
> Once you install an add-on, after you switch to a newer Oxygen 
> version, the new Oxygen will ask you if you want to use the old 
> installed add-ons. Even if you choose not to use the old add-ons you 
> can install the add-on again in the new Oxygen version using the same 
> simple procedure.
>
> Regards,
> Radu
>
> Radu Coravu
> <oXygen/>  XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger
> http://www.oxygenxml.com
>
> On 9/21/2017 11:03 AM, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
>> Dear Radu,
>>
>> now comes what we call in French "une question subsidiaire" :-)
>>
>> Should I expect to have to do the same manipulation each time
>> Oxygen is upgraded to a new (major) version,
>> or to a new "build"?
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> -- Jean-Luc (in Pondy)
>>
>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>
>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21/09/2017 10:52, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Radu Coravu) wrote:
>>> Hi Jean-Luc,
>>>
>>> No problem. I'm glad this works for you now.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Radu
>>>
>>> Radu Coravu
>>> <oXygen/>  XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger
>>> http://www.oxygenxml.com
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2017 8:19 AM, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
>>>> POST-SCRIPTUM
>>>>
>>>> I have to apologize for sending an unnecessary request.
>>>>
>>>> As pointed out just now by Thilak Bhaskaran,
>>>> who works in our EFEO research center,
>>>> the file "icu4j.jar"
>>>> DOES EXIST on the Windows laptop also.
>>>>
>>>> It is located in
>>>> the "lib" directory
>>>> of the folder called "Oxygen XML Editor 19"
>>>>
>>>> I have replaced it by "icu4j-59_1.jar"
>>>> and restarted Oxygen
>>>> and now the Tamil Alphabetical order
>>>> is perfectly obtained.
>>>>
>>>> That is GREAT!
>>>>
>>>> -- Jean-Luc (in Pondy)
>>>>
>>>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ##############################
>>>>
>>>> Dear Radu,
>>>>
>>>> this morning in Pondicherry
>>>> I have tried to locate the "icu4j.jar"
>>>> and was successful in the case of my UBUNTU laptop (running Ubuntu
>>>> 14.04)
>>>> but UNSUCCESSFUL  in the case of my Windows laptop (running Windows 
>>>> 7).
>>>>
>>>> I am part of a research team where both types of computers are
>>>> represented
>>>> and have to be conversant with both sides.
>>>>
>>>> I usually run Oxygen on the Windows Laptop (where I have a bigger 
>>>> screen
>>>> :-)
>>>> and my version is
>>>> <oXygen/> XML Editor 19.0, build 2017042020
>>>>
>>>> I occasionally run Oxygen on my Ubuntu laptop
>>>> and have not yet upgraded to Oxygen 18
>>>> and my version there is
>>>> <oXygen/> XML Editor 18.0, build 2016051118
>>>>
>>>> Since I could not locate the "icu4j.jar" on the Windows laptop,
>>>> I could apply your solution ONLY on the Ubuntu laptop,
>>>> WHERE IT WORKED PERFECTLY.
>>>>
>>>> THANKS A LOT for your timely and efficient help.
>>>>
>>>> All that remains for me to be happy is your telling me how to 
>>>> handle the
>>>> Windows 7 laptop.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I can see,
>>>> inside the "Program Files" folder
>>>> there is a folder called "Oxygen XML Editor 19"
>>>> that folder contains a folder called ".install4j"
>>>> which contains several .jar files
>>>> but none is called "icu4j.jar"
>>>> and a SEARCH on the computer hard disk does not reveal anything
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for giving me additional pointers
>>>>
>>>> Of course, I could use the Ubuntu machine as my main machine ;-)
>>>> but I can't expect everyone else to also do that .... ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>>
>>>> -- Jean-Luc (in Pondy)
>>>>
>>>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>>>
>>>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/09/2017 18:14, Oxygen XML Editor Support (Radu Coravu) wrote:
>>>>> Hi Jean-Luc,
>>>>>
>>>>> I tried working a little bit with your samples on my side and I think
>>>>> I managed to make this work.
>>>>> In the Oxygen libraries directory "OXYGEN_INSTALL_DIR\lib" there is a
>>>>> JAR library called "icu4j.jar". It is an incomplete version of a
>>>>> larger ICU4J library which can be downloaded from:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://site.icu-project.org/download/59#TOC-ICU4J-Download
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you have the "icu4j-59_1.jar", move the original "icu4j.jar" 
>>>>> from
>>>>> the Oxygen library folder to some other place and replace it with 
>>>>> this
>>>>> larger JAR library.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also the xsl:sort in the XSLT worked only if I used this syntax:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <xsl:sort select="."
>>>>>> collation="http://www.w3.org/2013/collation/UCA?lang=ta"/>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not know much about the values that the collation attribute
>>>>> takes, but this was in one of the examples on the Saxonica
>>>>> documentation page:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.saxonica.com/html/documentation/xsl-elements/sort.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Radu
>>>>>
>>>>> Radu Coravu
>>>>> <oXygen/>  XML Editor, Schema Editor and XSLT Editor/Debugger
>>>>> http://www.oxygenxml.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/19/2017 5:15 PM, Jean-Luc Chevillard wrote:
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The title of this message says it all:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Tamil among the languages for which a specific collation is
>>>>>> available
>>>>>> when using Oxygen?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to sort items in the Tamil alphabetical order,
>>>>>> but when I specify that « lang="ta" »
>>>>>> as a parameter in my sort command,
>>>>>> the order I obtain is the one which is based
>>>>>> on the Unicode codepoint collation,
>>>>>> which is not what one expects while sorting Tamil words
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The same thing happens if I define
>>>>>> a parameter such as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <xsl:param name="sorting-collation"
>>>>>> select="'http://saxon.sf.net/collation?lang=ta'"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and then use it in a sort command
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <xsl:sort select="." collation="{$sorting-collation}"/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To give a specific example
>>>>>> the following short list is extracted from a much longer list
>>>>>> which is part of an HTML file
>>>>>> created by applying an XSLT file
>>>>>> (containing SORT commands)
>>>>>> to an XML file
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <ul>
>>>>>> <li>அத்தத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனந்தன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனற்பொறியின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனற்றிரளின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனுடத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அமரமாதர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 2 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அரக்கர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அருகன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 43 items]</li>
>>>>>> </ul>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HOWEVER, this is not the proper Tamil dictionnary order order, which
>>>>>> should be:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <ul>
>>>>>> <li>அத்தத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அமரமாதர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 2 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அரக்கர் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அருகன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 43 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனந்தன் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனற்பொறியின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனற்றிரளின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 1 items]</li>
>>>>>> <li>அனுடத்தின் பெயர் [head-word ABOVE 7 items]</li>
>>>>>> </ul>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions would be appreciated
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- Jean-Luc Chevillard (currently in Pondicherry, India)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://univ-paris-diderot.academia.edu/JeanLucChevillard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://twitter.com/JLC1956
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