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Subject: [xsl] Re: [xquery-talk] Random number generation : requirements
From: "Adam Retter adam.retter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <xsl-list-service@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 18:05:42 -0000

Just to throw in the functions from eXist which are also non-deterministic -


Personally I would be more interested in having a good random number
source for generating strong UUIDs, at the moment we just have an
extension function which is a non-deterministic wrapper around some
Java -

On 6 May 2014 18:51, Christian GrC<n <christian.gruen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> And here is the Random Module of BaseX:
>   http://docs.basex.org/wiki/Random_Module
> Similar to Zorba, most functions are non-deterministic. Is there any
> particular reason why the official random functions need to be
> deterministic?
> Hope this helps,
> Christian
> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Matthias Brantner
> <matthias.brantner@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Michael
>> Here is the documentation of a module containing functions to generate
>> random numbers or strings with Zorba.
>> http://www.zorba.io/documentation/latest/modules/zorba/xdm/atomic/random
>> Please note that some functions are using Zorba's nondeterministic
>> Also note, that there is one function that creates uuids returned as
>> The functions have proven themselves useful in plenty of scenarios like
>> password or web session token generation.
>> I hope you find this module useful.
>> Matthias
>> On May 6, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Michael Kay <mike@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> The W3C WGs are looking at the idea of introducing a random-number
function of some kind in XPath 3.1. The challenge of course is making this
both usable and a pure function with no side-effects. We have various design
ideas which we need to test against requirements.
>>> If you have any applications that use or need such a function, please
could I have a brief description of the way it uses random numbers, e.g. just
wanting a single random number, a random permutation of 52 integers, an
arbitrary sequence of random numebrs for test data generation, etc.
>>> If you're currently using the EXSLT random-sequence() function, please
share your experience with it.
>>> Michael Kay
>>> Saxonica
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