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Subject: Re: [xsl] Off Topic : XSLT Jobs in USA
From: Mailing Lists Mail <daktapaal@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:37:39 -0700

I have had the experience of being in a company where XSLT2 was *not*
allowed. Even with the XSLT1, we were told that the "advanced"
techniques should be avoided.. I was like a bit of in shock as in what
could be "advanced" in XSLT1 when the whole version is kind of  very
old now?  The reasons given to me were: This is a Microsoft based
projects and we don't want XSLT2 here.. The second reason for avoiding
the "advanced" techniques ( like keys etc ) in XSLT1 was that, the
engineers working in the MS dotNet side, wont understand it.. This was
a shame...Instead of educating the engineers, XSLT specialists were
asked to underperform in their coding ...This is true with most of the
companies where Microsoft is involved as a development platform.. It
is OK to get on to Dotnet API for XML and use dot NET file system APIs
for file outputs, instead of using for instance xsl:result-document ..



On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Dimitre Novatchev <dnovatchev@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Quick search on seek.com.au right now yields 86 jobs Australia wide,
>> and a *lot* of them are integration systems / middleware systems
>
> AFAI remember Australia from 2006, this means that there are 80+
> recruitment agencies, each advertising the same job ...
>
>
> Cheers,
> Dimitre
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Alexander Johannesen
> <alexander.johannesen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Hmm, there's a host of enterprise systems that still use XSLT 1.0,
>> some with some extensions, but mostly simple stuff. A lot of CMS
>> systems still use it, but it's rare to find XSLT high on the list of
>> skills people want.
>>
>> Quick search on seek.com.au right now yields 86 jobs Australia wide,
>> and a *lot* of them are integration systems / middleware systems. I
>> know the National Library uses some (because I injected it :) ), but
>> I've yet to find a job that really needs XSLT as a core skill, or even
>> important; most will say exposure to it, or some knowledge or
>> experience in it. Which makes it a bit hard for a pro to sell it.
>>
>> Let me put it this way; XSLT is a nice to have rather than a must-have
>> on every single job I've ever had.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Ben Stringer
>> <ben.stringer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On 25 October 2013 17:13, davep <davep@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 24/10/13 20:25, Mailing Lists Mail wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Wendell,
>>>>> I have been in this list for a very very long time and had noticed a
>>>>> lot of posters that come from USA. So this was something that got me
>>>>> thinking that there probably are many programmers / jobs into XML/XSLT
>>>>> in the USA, so thaz where the "huge presence" came from, also going by
>>>>> the size of the country multiplied by the number of companies, it had
>>>>> formed enough basis for my assumption... in UK/Aus, UK especially (
>>>>> being a very small country) , I have seen a lot of people who ask for
>>>>> Specialist XSLT/XML developers. Just when we think we have explored
>>>>> "n" number of clients in the country, a totally "unheard of"  client
>>>>> ends up calling for XSLT developers offering a very good rate.. This
>>>>> keeps the contractors engaged and encouraged to be doing the XSLT
>>>>> development..So that was what I was referring to when I said "enough
>>>>> companies in USA " who are into the XSLT development.
>>>>> USA as I hear is a "generalist" techy oriented place.. Where XSLT may
>>>>> not be the core skill someone is looking for. Which makes me think
>>>>> ,why and how some generalist will keep himself abreast of technologies
>>>>> like XSLT3 etc, if all he wants is a job anyone can do, mainly Java
>>>>> J2EE development with some XML skills.. I am sure there are specialist
>>>>> companies in the USA like mulberrytech, marklogic, IBM etc, who
>>>>> probably do XML day in and day out/..but for some reason I don't see
>>>>> them asking for people.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> One slant on this, with  a UK bias.
>>>> Given n aspects to a workflow involving XML, XSLT, it is often
>>>> the XSLT skills that are hardest to find which may explain why
>>>> it receives emphasis in the adverts. If, in reality it is a minor
>>>> aspect,of the work, the interviewer is unlikely to know enough
>>>> to judge the interviewees level of expertise.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder how many $employers still believe XSLT 1.0 is still
>>>> current?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> XSLT 1.0 is still actively used in IBM's DataPower appliances.
>>>
>>> There is a steady (and perhaps growing) need for DataPower specialists
>>> where I am working, in Australia. Whilst some roles may only be
>>> related to the installation and administration of the appliances, most
>>> require people with XSLT 1 skills.
>>>
>>> Generally employers won't request XSLT 1 skills, rather they would
>>> advertise for DataPower skills, so this need for XSLT-skilled people
>>> may not be apparent when looking at job ads. Only the candidates for
>>> these positions recognise the linkage.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ben
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave Pawson
>>>> XSLT XSL-FO FAQ.
>>>> http://www.dpawson.co.uk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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